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    January 6, 2013
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>> john: i am john roberts in for chris wallace. if you think the fight over the fiscal cliff was tough stay tuned for bruising round twompt from automatic spending cuts to raising the debt ceiling and paying for uncle sam to at a open, the battle battle lines are how will that fight play out. we'll ask two key congressman. van hollen and jim jordan. he's's new man in town with a
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message that champions opportunities. will the party establishment listen. we'll get a fresh perspective from senator ted cruz. from spending to immigration and gun control debate, will the new congress get past the toxic partis an shepto get things done for voters. we'll ask the sunday panel to read the political teleaves all right now on "fox news sunday". hello again from fox news in washington. after side stepping the fiscal cliff, the country faces a triple threat of greater scale . at stake government spending cuts and full faith and credit of the united states. with bruises fresh from the last dust up early jabs are already flying. joining is democratic chris van hollen and republican jim jordan. senate minority leader said the
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revenue piece is done. the president wants more tax he needs to limit deductions and limit the loop holes. >> mitch mcconell will draw the line in the sand . we have to take a balanced approach meaning additional cuts and remember, year the president signed in law more than 1.5 trillion in cuts. 100 percent cuts. as a result of avoiding the fiscal cliff we raised 730 billion from high income individuals. as we go forward we need to adopt the same frame work as the simpsons-bowles commission . remember in the campaign you saw the republican candidate and paul ryan talking about the breaks in the loop holes, guess what, they are still there. through tax reform we can raise
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more revenue to address the sequester issue and long-term deficit. >> john: congressman jordan do you buy that? >> no, they are scheduled for the outyears. congress said give us the revenue and we'll promise to get the cuts. that's what the fiscal cliffs was. no cut necessary there and stame old, same old. i tell folks back at home, this is promises from politicians, not from your parents or pastor or priest. politician say we promise to get to the balanced approach later and cut spending later. mitch mcconnell is right. we have to cut spending. credit card is maxed out. he is right. let's foxus on the problem which is this government can't control spending and we have to control it. >> john: we spoke at link when you were the president's point
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person on the budget and you state said simpson-bowles and you have to have the model and revenue and spending cut. >> guest: that's right. >> john: we got revenue. where are the spending cuts. >> guest: the cuts and revenue are with far short in both categors. mr. #1: but you are looking at trillion hole in the debt. >> guest:icisms simpson bowles said it would allow it to go to the starting levelings. on top of that they raised over a triliop in revenue combined with cuts. yes, we have to do more cuts. the president was clear. he put on the table 1.2 trillion in cuts and combuned with the rev - revenue. house republicans decided not to
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follow speaker boehner in the balanced approach and that is the going forward. the house republican caucus will continue to refuse to take a balanced approach and that will deadlock the promise. >> john: another danger is how far you push the spending debate. this is what the president said about that on tuesday . let's listen. >> if congress refuses to give the united states government the ability to pay the bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic and far worse than the fiscal cliff. >> john: congressman you advocated going past the debt ceiling deadline. would you advocate. >> i advocate a solution and not a deal it is no wonder that the president doesn't want to debate if i had presided over the four highest annual deficits and
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increase in the national debt i wouldn't want to talk about the issue either. since the debt ceiling passed 16 months ago. the day after it passed we got a downgrade from s&p . the super committee that chris voted for fell apart like we thought it would . the only scheduled cuts to take place. we suspended them in the fiscal cliff deal. we have yet to cut one dime and now it is time to do it again. stow this is, we have to stop the madness. this is the 18 year old kid on a credit card and instead of cut tupping and putting them on a budget, barak obama said give us another one and harry reid you have to - on >> john: would you support the debt ceiling. >> i don't support not dealing with the program. this whole, the way this town
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works and the fiscal cliff deal, the only winners were washington, they got more money and the folk necessary ohio lost rev snaul business owners had money taken from them. politicians in washington win. 10 or 7 of the 10 wealthiest counties are in the dc area . mr. van hollen res one of those areas it is about time to say stop the madness and cut up the credit card and we want a solution. >> guest: a couple of points. sequester was replaced two months and not kicked down the road. >> guest: it was kicked down the road. >> guest: no, jim, you have to get the facts straight. >> guest: i have them straight. >> guest: we have 24 billion in deficit reduction. halfful it was cut and the model going forward is to continue to do balanced approach of cuts and
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revenue. america didn't go over the fiscal cliff. i know you voted not to go over the fiscal cliff. >> guest:ip voted not to raise taxes on anyone. the president could have stopped it you wanted additional revenue. >> guest: we needed to take a balanced approach high income earners need to contribute to reduce the deficit otherwise folks on medicaid or medicare who earn ever be be i would get whaloped. i know you want to whalop them to protect the millionaires. going forward on the debt ceilinglet newt gingrich said it was a dead loser for the republicans to threaten to tank the united states economy by refusing to pay our own bills. this is not future payments is it paying bills that are due and owing. we get up one morning say we will not pay the mortgage. that is reckless and irresponsible. it is it a mad man theory to
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negotiations. give us what we want or we will tank the united states economy. that is reckless and irresponsible and we will not do it. >> guest: that is not addressing the problem. >> john: the president said if it is tide to the debt ceiling it is not a discussion to center. speaker boehner said it is it a discussion and we talk about raising the debt ceil we want a equal or greater off set in taxes and other cuts. is equal or greater off set in spending and other cuts. mitch mcconnell said this is it a argument you will have. >> now he has the tax rates he wants, his calls for balance means he needs to join us in the effort to achieve meaningful spending reform. the president may not want to have the debate, but it is one that he's going to have because the country needs it. >> john: does the country need
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that debate two years ago we had 14 trillion debt ceil now 16 tho to 18 trillion and that takes us to twint14 and then we will be at 20 trillion . people are rightly asking, when does this stop? >> guest: when does the madness stop? we need to solve the problem and what you will see from the house side. weemput forward a plan. if you want to increase the borrowing. this is a menu of options to reduce spending of equal or greater amount. you are afraid to put together a budget. harry reid hasn't passed a budget in three years. we have to retuse spending to solve the problem. that is the adult disciplined thing to do . what the american people are looking for us to do. instead of saying giving us more revenue and we'll cut spending later . let us run up the credit card,
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thrais it old lucy, charley brown football. american people are saying we'll not kick it this time. you guys always screw it up and let's do the right thing and solve the problem and put our count reap on to balance and have a growing economy. >> john: do the president's feet need to be held to the fire. >> guest: the president put on the table a plan for another 1.2 trillion if spending cuts and they walked away, why? jim and his colleagues didn't want to ask people who earned over to pay more. the president's budget has contained spending cuts. >> guest: does the tax increase create one job? >> guest: does that create jobs. >> guest: jim if we don't get the deficit under control. >> guest: we have to grow the economy. you have to cut spending and grow the economy.
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>> guest: it will hurt the economy. >> john: we'll see if there is a agreement here. do we need to do something to get debt and deficit under control. >> guest: yes. you node to cut spend take the balanced approach. you support the simpson-bowles frame work. >> guest: you have i support the spending reduction because you got the tax revenue you wanted. >> guest: jim, why did 1.5 trillion in cuts last year. >> guest: we didn't. >> guest: we cap spending going forward. >> guest: nothing happened yet. >> guest: you heard answer. he wants to take just the cuts. >> guest: you already have the spending part of that. >> guest: you >> john: you only -- you got part of the tax revenue. >> guest: and part of the spending cuts last year. >> guest: you didn't get spending cuts ump >> guest: that's not true.
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this is any indication of how the next weeks are going it will be interesting. >> guest: it is it a fact-free zone that's the problem. >> john: gun control will be a big issue next year. 10 bills introduced in the house on thursday on gun control and one of the big ones introduced by mccarty whose husband was killed in a railroad shooting you look at the language of all of the bills in the wake of the newtown shooting. would anything have prevented that shotting? >> guest: my view is to tang a comprehensive approach and looking at school security and male healthuation and looking at. >> john: why is not congress talking about that snimpt we are. >> john: first 10 bills were bruced . >> guest: having union versal background. >> john: how would that have stopped adam lanzer from
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stealing his mom's gun. >> guest: the argument is because it doesn't solve everything we shouldn't do anything. i believe we need a comprehensive approach and look at all of the different elements here and because a particular effort will not prevent something in one incident doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything that may not help in others. you can be on the terrorist watch list and privented from boarding an airplane but you can go buy a semiautomatic. >> john: adam lanzer was not on anyone's radar screen except for the parents and doctors. how does gun control solve that problem? >> guest: i don't think it every american's heart was broken when they staw what happened in connecticut. more restrictions on law-abiding citizens will not prevent the tragedy. the second amendment is freedom. we have to focus. if well are way to help address the situation fine. but it is it about freedom and
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frankly you have to remember that bad guys are not stupid, they are just bad. they'll figure out f. they are intent on doing something bad they will do it >> john: charles krauthammer said it is multifactorial. it is guns and mental health and society. he was a psychiatrist had a far easy are time committing someone who was potentially violent than you can now. where are the republicans on committing the mentally ill. >> guest: certainly you want to look at that. you don't want to restrict law-abiding citizens fromlet second amendment rights which is freedom. bad guys are not stupid, they are just bad. >> guest: this is not restricting people but common sense. we have a background check. but there are big loop holes. you want to get rid of it you want to get rid of background checks.
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>> guest: it requires a training course and background check. why not make that universal. >> guest: and make sure we get rid of the loop hole and make sure everybody has to have universal background check. >> i support it for concealed carry. you have to remember what the second amendment is like freedom . the first and fourth amendment is about freedom. >> guest: you think if you bloke the law. >> guest: you shouldn't be able to get a concealed carry on that. >> john: if this discussion is what lies ahead we'll have a interesting time. timpt is it a problem. >> guest: thank you, john. >> john: thank you for joining us. up next senator ted cruz, a no nonsense texan comes to washington. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters...
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>> john: he may have joined the club four days ago but there is no mistaken there is it a new texan in the stiant. the tea party republican is joining the town he his critized. welcome back to "fox news sunday" this time as a senator. >> guest: good morning, glad to be here. >> john: one of the first order will be nominees for the second term cabinet and among them former nebraska senator chuck hagel. how will you vote on hagel.
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>> guest: if he is nominated it is hard to imagine the circumstance i could support the confirmation. the president is bound and determined to proceed down the path despite hagel's record is troubling on the nation of israel and not a friend to israel and in my view the united states should stand unshakable to israel and he is consistent with weakness with respect to the enemies and nation of iran. opposing sanctions over and over . the job of the secretary of defense is to be a serious credible strength and deterrent and unfortunately, i think weakness in a secretary of defense invites conflict, because bullies don't respect weakness. >> john: what is the problem with hagel on the respect of israel. >> guest: on israel he repeatedly opposed israel and placed all of the blame on
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israel in dispute after dispute and in fact publicly said u.s. policy is dependent on what he called the israel lobby that is a term that doesn't reflect the realities of the strong national security interest in maintaining that alliance. >> john: that statement was to aaron david miller former u.s. diplomat. here's what he said to david aaron miller regarding israel. much too promised land. he said that people in capitol hill and i am paraphrasing here. people on capitol hill are afraid of the israel lobbyist. i am a u.s.. jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here. i am a united states senator and not an israeli senator but in an article in december david miller said it was not as dire as many people made it out to be.
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he is opposed to certain israeli policiless but not anti-cemetic. do you buy mr. miller's argument. >> guest: i don't know. i will not speak to mr. hagel's heart. but what i am concerned his record and past policy positions and previously expressed that, that with respect iran and israel that he doesn't want criticism from other nations of the world. that's not the job of the defense secretary. he's not nominated to be secretary of state. you want to talk about the most effective diplomacy that the nation has seen in modern timings. it was ronald reagan standing up wing the cold war without firing a shot. that was through strength. if you are an iran mullah and looking at chuck hagel who thinks that sanctions are too harsh. you have to be laughing. >> john: do you think he will be
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confirmed? >> guest: i don't know. i think it is interesting that the president seems hell bent on nominating him despite of the fact of criticism from the republicans and democraticic senators have been silent on this. i think this is it a president who is drunk the tea and on election feeling good about himself and feeling like there can be no opposition to his position. he doesn't seem terribly concerned that there is not a lot of support for chuck hagel. >> and another nomination. tim geithner expected to leave . jack lu is the leading candidate. how would you vote on lu? >> guest: i would have to look at his record and listen to what he has to say. i tell you my view on any treasury secretary would be that i would want to hear real proposals for growth.
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the whole debate about the fiscal cliff talking about taxes and spending. noticeably absent from the equation is growth and the biggest economic problem of the last four years is dismal economic growth and under barak obama our economy has grown 1.5 percent a year for years and that is less than half the historical adane. >> john: i would like to get into that in a second. do you share the distaste of the jack lu and the way he conducted his self in the diabetic ceiling debate in 20len. a lot of people said he was arrogant. >> guest: i was not there and i have not dealt with the man and so i will keep an open mind. with any treasury secretary nominee, my view will be looking to the substance, and this is not a popularity contest.
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this is about fixing the problems that are affecting millions of americans. you know, people all over the country, i don't think they are interested in the political squabbles in the capt cament. they are interested in getting jobs back and that's where the >> john: we have a debt ceiling debate and you heard mitch mcmcconnell saying that the revenue piece is don and no more taxings. the only thing that the president has to do is deal with the spending cuts. >> guest: i am happy for lots was new revenue but not new taxes. best avenue for new revenue is economic growth. if the economy is sputtering at one and half and two percent gdp growth and tax rates plummet and people are hurt and we get the economy up to historical levels. average is 3.3 percent. in the fourth year of reagan's
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presidency our economy grew 7.2 percent. if we can get gdp up to three or four or 5 percent that will be more revenue to pay off the deficit and debt. that is the way to do it >> john: are you willing to risk default by taking the debt ceiling battle to the limit. >> guest: no, let me be clear about i do not stipulate default on the debt and we should never default on the debt and only players who are threatening to default is president obama and harry reid. this is it an issue earlier in the show you played the president's threatening default. in any begin month tax revenue are 200 billion and interest is 30 or 40 billion. there is it plenty of revenue to service the debt and any responsible president would say whatever happens with the debt
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ceiling, we will always pay our debt. we'll never default on the debt and the reason that the president is doing that. he's trying to scare people and raise the spector of financial apocalypse. >> john: i want to get in other issues, we are running short on time. gun control. you heard about tin bills zeused in the house of representatives and joe biden loding a today group. you are a fierce defending of rights and is there any new gun control that you would accept? >> guest: the reason we are discussing this is it the tragedy in newtown and every parent. my wife and i have two girls aged four and two, every parent was horrified to see 20 children, six dults senselessly murdered it takes your breath away.
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but within minutes, we saw politician running out and trying to exploit and push their political agenda of gun control. i don't support it for two reins. number one it is it unconstitutional. >> john: is there any to accept? >> guest: i don't think it makes sense. things we can do. one of the things we can do improve the quality of the federal database. a lot of states and local jurisdiction are not reporting criminal and mental hill barriers to ownership. that would be a common sense improvement, but that's not what is proposed. senator dianne feinstein's bill would create a national gun registry. i don't think the federal government has any business of having a list ofs that keep and bear arms. >> john: we'll talk about the future of the republican party. a lot of people are talking about what we need to do.
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changing demographics and more minorities and they vote dim dem- democratic. you need to restrench conservative values and develop conservatives and help people live the american dream. is that the right way to go when you lock at changing demographicings. >> guest: it is it the right way to go. the reason i am a conservative they work and improve opportunity. they are the avenue for climbing the economic dream. what i have talked about many years is opportunity conservatism . every policy should focus like a lazer of the economic ladder and we should be championing the fren percent to take that infamous comment. the great thing about americans . they don't want to be dependent on government. it wraps the spirit and doesn't work. americans want to stand on their
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own two feet. best way to do that is have policiless and allow small businesses and entrepreneurs to strive and advance the american dream. >> john: you said several times, so many politicians get elected and promising to go to capitol hill and thin turn into spineless jelly fish whampt is to prevent you to being a jelly fish in the climate of washington? >> guest: the great thing about the election we just went through, we saw hundreds of thousands of grass roots activist in texas and the nation stand up against a mountain of money and attacks. we were not supposed to win this race. i feel like i am coming in surrounded up and lifted up by the grass roots conseshatives that i am happy to stand with. >> john: mitch mcmcconnell gosterning requires compromise with a senate and president that
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got elected. it is one thing to criticize wash quash and you get here you have to govern. >> guest: i think the fiscal cliff deal was a lousy but moving forward with the debt ceiling and those who believe in limited spending and solvinglet debt and not bankrupting our kids have the advantage. if we insist on structural reforms to fix the problems and number two pro growth policiless so we can grow the economy and get jobs and people back to work. we can win that debate and argument. i don't think what washington needs is it more compromise it needs more common sense and principle. >> john: senator cruz, it is good to get to know you and good luck. >> guest: thank you, thank you for having me. >> john: appreciate it up next, a new year and congress and we'll ask the political panel if the political well is still poisoned. look at you guys with your fancy-schmancy
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>> our economy can't afford more protracted showdown talk and manufactured crisis on the way. >> the american dream is in peril so long as the names sake is weighed down by the anchor of debt. break its hold and we set the economy free. >> john: the president and speaker of the house on the perils and tough fiscal battles that lie ahead. time for brit hume fox news
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analyst and nina easton of fortune magazine and bill kristol of the weekly standard and tonya lane of the weekly post. if the discussion we saw over the fiscal cliff and discussion this morning between jim jordan and hollen. it is toxic. nina how will it play out as we see the deadlines. >> a continuiation of what the president doesn't want. looking over the cliffs. when you look at the deal they came up with this week in which the president took the lead on, what does it do for economic growth? not a lot. increase in the pay roll tax and everybody seeing a smaller paycheck this month, that will put a damper on the economy. does it do anything to take uncertainty out of the economy and help businesses start investing and adding jobs again? no. what it does, it creates more uncertainty and we have a fight over the debt ceiling and
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spending cuts and entitlement reform and hopefully looming out there that we haven't seen much leadership on. all it did was show that the president is extremely adept at explote oniting weakness in the republican party. you lock at the debt ceil defaulting on our loans it is peering over the edge of the grand canyon and bed with the fiscal cliff deal. how much is at risk if they don't get it done. senator cruz said there was no danger of default on the debt. we hit the debt ceiling, we can't borrow anymore. tax receipts continue to flow . they cover 60 percent of the federal spending. debt service is 6 or senpercent and there would be plenty of money to cover the debt service. what you will hear, john, in the weeks ahead we'll default on our obligation. that is not reference to the
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kind of default you would have if you didn't make payments. that means you can't pay for the federal spending and there would be major, major disruptions. but we need to be careful about the use of default. it is scare talk. i thought it would be a desirable outcome and the republicans want to try to extract real spending cuts as a price for raising the debt ceiling, they will have to be tough and they would be accused of shutting the government down in part. >> the president as we discussed, the president gets to decide what is shut down. >> one example would be suppose you can't finance 40 percent of the government spippeding. the president and treasury secretary decide what they shut is meat and poultry inspections done the usda. that shuts it down overnight. that affects a lot of red sphates and - states and red
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state members. this is going to be tough and bloody and ugly and i am not sure. i think a lot of republicans have to recognize. you control one house of the congress, you can't wag the dog from that position, but what they need to do is win the elections. >> john: bill who has the leverage. >> the reelected president with control of one part of congress has the leverage. he got tax increases on the wealthy and i thought it would happen. he can say he wants to raise taxs and get a few billion and curving deductions. i don't think there is it any appetite for that. and obama has begin away on the that taxes have to go up on the tactses with the middle class it is it bad for liberal. current taxation is appropriate. they can't raise that over the
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next two or four years and they can try to run deficits and hope the fed can keep financing them. i think it was a hidden victory for the conserves and republicans. going forward republicans need to think hard of what they want to ask for on the debting. they should ask for pro growth measures. president obama is not going to do entitlement reform . not going to be tax reform. what could republicans ask for that would be good for the country. delaying obama care for a year and energy policiless. there is tactical thing that is would have some democratic support giving the government ability to issue more bonds. >> john: one thing, charles that was not talked what are we doing to drate jobs in in - create
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jobs in the country? >> as nined the restoration . old rate is contractionary for the economy and not good for the jobs. in my view it had to be reinstated. and the administration treated it as a concession and privately they were willing to accept all along . so yeah. there was contraction built in this the fiscal cliff keel-- deal. the big variable of what is about to happen is it the republican position. what is it going to be. nina is exactly right. the president is adept and enthusiastic of exploiting their differences. in that context, it is amazing to me how the republicans have so many differences . before we have intelligent discussion, they have to get in a room if they can and figure out what they want and stick to
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it. >> the issue is spending. purely spending. >> they have honest differences on policy and i respect those differences and it is amazing. everyone taken for grant the president in the second term his main preoccupation is causing trivial split with the house republicans. if is fun to talk about. will it matter two years from now. the is that what he thinks his job is. >> that's what is happening. call it pathetic if youment, but you can't act as if it is not happening. >> it is it a great political victory for democrats that john bone boin is having squabbleles in his caucus? that is trivial. >> the aim of the president is to neuter the republican ltd.ership and he has a
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minority. >> that's what he's doing and go back to one measure that we haven't talk would about that has support on both side and in the republican ranks is corporate tax reform. lower corporate rates can add jobs to the economy and that's not being talked about. >> that's a good point. i let's be clear going forward. he exploited the differences over taxes . in the republican ranks on this round. going forward. the republicans of all stripes will resist any tax increases. republicans was all stripes particularly house republicans that passed the two ryan budgets that have serious reforms in them will unite on that. they will pass the debt ceiling with a price of major cuts and that will go to the and we'll what happens. in the end the debt sealing will be raise the republicans will be far more united.
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>> i want to talk about gun control. i will kick that to the next panel. we'll return and talk about battle lines being drawn over the new defense secretary as the president remakes his cabinet and gun control should armed guards be in school. you will be surprised with the poll. we'll be right back. .
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>> i served with chuck hagel and i know him and done extraordinary work in the united states senate and served the country with val our in vietnam. >> there would be very little republican support for his nomination and in the end of the day very few votes. >> praise from president obama and concern over lindsay graham. we are back now with the panel and the announcement and the
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president has settled on chuck hagel. why did he pick him? >> only thing i can think of . he believes that hagel as a maverick would not drink the koolaid as the white house sees it on pept gon and military spending and he would be a counter force over there and not an advocate for armed forces that leon panet a. the warnings that we are hearing about the sequester so-called on the pept gon, and the warnings came from paneta, not the white house. leon paneta is warning . that's the reason . otherwise, it is it a very peculliar choice and highly controstrersial guy and not a distingished record in the senate and i am not suggesting that he didn't fight valiently when he was a soldier himself. but he is an odd guy and there
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is it a tinge of suspicion of his views on israel which politically is dangerous and problematic and that's the only thing i can think of. >> there is no case for hagel, eliminate? >> defenders attacked the critic but they haven't made a case for him. he is a senator and distingished not at all. is there hagel legislation no. is there any written memorable . no. write anything big, no. it is a mystery why president obama want to have him. there are other qualified people who have bipartisan support and ash carter or davis who recently served in the pentagon and people who served in the clinton pentagon that are well thought of on a bipartisan basis . i don't know why the president
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wants him maybe he likes the fact that chuck hagel complained about the power of the jewish lobby and one of the few senators who voted against the iran sanction and refused to desigate the iranian guard as terrorist group. maybe he likes that record. >> one of the things that hagel gets dinged on is one on one negotiations on the nuclear program. he said i am not a pace 50 and i believe in using force but only after a decision making process. i will do everything i can to avoid needless and senseless war. nina, is that unreasonable for a secretary of defense to have? >> it is in line with where the president is going in terms of use not putting troops on the ground anymore. he made that clear. he wants to rely on unmanned drones in afghanistan and fight terrorism that way.
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i think brit is right he's in line with the president on the issues and if you go forward and look at spending cut that is are going to have to come down in the pentagon, interesting by nominating hagel, he am be overlooking a chance to nominate the first woman secretary of defense who actually has a lot of support in the conservative rankings >> and a lot of experience in the building. >> one statement that hagel made in 2007 and upset republicans is over the iraq war . he initially supported it and people say we are not fighting for oil. of course we are. they talk about america's national interest. we are not there for fakes. it was refreshing but others why would you want a secretary of defense that said that? >> the other maybe better words to take back was the deinousiation for the surge of iraq. he voted for the war and
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denounced the surge as worst mistake as vietnam is not well chosen . i agree with bill, given all of the baggage that chuck hagelblings whether you approve of him or not, it is it a puzziling choice and the best explanation is what the president himself said in the beginning of the clip. i like chuck hagel. they served together in the senate and they bonded over iraq issue and opposition to it and they travel to iraq and seem to trust each other and i think he just likes the guy and in addition he's a critic of bloat in the pentagon and that's the way the spending thing is going to trend . finally he is a republican . that whole sort of purchase bipartisanship. >> if harry reid doesn't manage to change the filibuster will this go through filibuster. >> i think republicans will take
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a close look at this and inclined to oppose. it is not as if all democraticic senators. senator men edez who the fought hard for harder sanctions and do you rail want a secretary of -- defense? >> all things being equal. president wants him and could had have him except for the confirmation hearingings, hagel is capable of stepping all over himself and that could happen and the atmosphere changes and hes highly controversial and suspect in the count reap and that would liberate democrats to vote no which can happen. >> it is tough sledding if jack lu is nominated to replace time - tim geithner. the results of the rasmussen poll are interesting.
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51 percent of the americans support stricter gun laws and when asked would posting an armed guard in every school safe 54 said yes . 54 percent would feel safer versus no adults with guns. it would appear from this poll, the greater number of the american people are with him on this. >> the american people are smart. wayne lapier was saying armed guards instead of controls on guns. american people look, they are supportive of gun control. if you go back and you look at studies and impact of gun control, there are not a lot that shows it works in terms of controlling violence. it did work in australia, there was a mass shootings in the nines and 35 tourist were killed and they put in an assault weapons ban that was stricter
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and did a buy back program. politically, i agree it would be tough sledding here. but it would get guns that put multiple bullet holes out of the system. >> that's probably true. the problem is, none of the measures that are talked about and could gather serious support would go as far as australia went. when you begin to do that. >> no one is talking about contisication. buy back is it possible . but i think it would be hard to pass mampt dianne feinstein for example has a measure to ban assault weapons which is similar to the measure that was in affect 10 years with no affect on gun violence. i just think that nothing talked about seriously or is likely to pass is the problem. >> and 13 mass murders before that law and none in the decade. >> john: we have 60 seconds.
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everybody goes after the guns and charles krauthammer pointed out. you have to address mental health and commit people and society and vilen video games and movies. why does congress take the aim at gunce. >> murders are awn committed by the gunce. >> john: it is it by people with guns. >> you can't blame people wanting to do something about guns. most of the gun control efforts are in vain and we are kidding ourselves . we can turn athe correlations. in the years there were and since then 22 since 1990. that doesn't prove you should not make it gun free either. >> john: we have to go and we'll pick up charles's thoughts. thank you very much. check out panel plus where our group picks up with the discussion on the website on fox news opinion com.
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